A Russian kamikaze drone on Wednesday flew into NATO air space and detonated near a Romanian village, Ukrainian news reports said, but official Bucharest said the fact of the strike wasn’t confirmed and that they would check.
Ukrainian social media video recorded in the river port city of Izmail, opposite Plaura, showed an orange flash lighting up the night horizon and a booming blast on the Romanian side of the river. Flames and smoke reaching hundreds of meters into the sky were visible following the explosion. A Russian kamikaze drone strike against Izmail had been in progress at the time.
Great, we all want the same thing, why is Ukraine and NATO not working toward a peace agreement? Why did NATO give weapons to Ukraine to propagate a war that they were always going to lose?
Why doesn’t Russia just go home? Why is it up to Ukraine to do anything but defend itself?
They signed a treaty so are beholdent to the terms of the treaty.
Russia wont just go home because they see Ukraine joining nato as an direct threat to their survival. Why did NATO agree to consider Ukraine as a potential NATO member when they knew it would likely cause war?
Russia pushed Ukraine into seeking NATO membership when they attacked them in 2014. Ukraine was neutral before that.
And NATO pushed Russia to take over Crimea when it helped to overthrow an elected government. Where does it stop?
I love how Russia invading other countries is always everyone else’s fault. Hilarious.
So you think its irrelevant what the opinions of other countries just as long as your government thinks its right? How many wars could have been avoided by listening to the grievances of other cultures?
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Russia never said it was going to be a three day operation. That was Lukashenko; you’re getting the basic facts of the situation wrong.
Losing slow doesn’t mean you had a realistic shot at winning, either.
To punish the organization that started the war.
Punishing violence with violence may seem like fighting fire with fire, but fire doesn’t respond to operant conditioning or compute game theory.
When an intelligent agent is causing problems, making problems for that agent is a way to signal that you’ll use your social power to alter their decision tree until they start playing nice again.
So to punish politicians that started a war you are willing to have hundreds of thousands of young men and civilians die? How exactly does that punish politicians that are not there and whos kids down have to fight?
Because they offered “fuck off and we can have peace” but russia wants to keep eastern UA territories
And how exactly do they get those eastern territories back?
By russia withdrawing and recognizing other sovereign countries’ borders. That’d be a good start.
Cool, they are not going to do that so what is the actual way to get back the eastern territories?
They mean ‘kill every single ukranian in east ukraine’ as they where trying to do pre-2020.
Who was trying to kill them?
The US-backed Ukrainian coup government and western Ukrainian fascists were trying to kill the eastern Ukrainian untermensch for the nine years before this war started.
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Im not sure what youre expecting here. You asked why NATO and Ukraine won’t negotiate peace.
They tried. Years ago. Russia said fuck you and invaded further.
Now you moved the goal posts to seek blame on the defenders side again.
They actually had a tentative agreement in Spring of 2022, but then NATO flew in and offered them money and weaponry so they could fight more. I am not moving the goal posts I am just telling you what reality is - Ukraine is going to lose, there is no other outcome.
They either agree to peace on the current borders, which Russia is offering, or the war drags on for another 2 years and they dont have a choice in surrender (this comes with another 200k+ dead)
I dont care about nationalism personally, I only care about the lives of the working class. As such, any route to peace should be persued as quickly as possible.
Bruv youre not saying anything youre asking open leading questions.
And then you ask different questions when you dislike the answers. That’s exactly what moving goalposts means. I understand you love russia but please read and think before you reply.
I am taking the logical argument in the direction that you guys are thinking to show its logically inconsistent. You guys just dont understand what is going on there and repeating one of two different talking point directions.
To give a clear answer to the how: fight until russia fucks off.
What happens when they run out of men to fight?
Then russia invades further, kills more civvies and pushes further into european territory. Whats the question?
So you think that once russia loses they are going to invade further into Europe after they had a hard time taking over Ukraine?
