A Russian kamikaze drone on Wednesday flew into NATO air space and detonated near a Romanian village, Ukrainian news reports said, but official Bucharest said the fact of the strike wasn’t confirmed and that they would check.
Ukrainian social media video recorded in the river port city of Izmail, opposite Plaura, showed an orange flash lighting up the night horizon and a booming blast on the Romanian side of the river. Flames and smoke reaching hundreds of meters into the sky were visible following the explosion. A Russian kamikaze drone strike against Izmail had been in progress at the time.
And how exactly do they get those eastern territories back?
By russia withdrawing and recognizing other sovereign countries’ borders. That’d be a good start.
Cool, they are not going to do that so what is the actual way to get back the eastern territories?
To give a clear answer to the how: fight until russia fucks off.
What happens when they run out of men to fight?
Then russia invades further, kills more civvies and pushes further into european territory. Whats the question?
So you think that once russia loses they are going to invade further into Europe after they had a hard time taking over Ukraine?
You seem to have trouble with reading. Let me help you:
What happens if UKRAINE runs out of men to fight?
RUSSIA pushes on west into EUROPE.What you’re writing assumes that RUSSIA loses.
That is an entirely opposite scenario.Sorry, I means to say “once Ukraine loses”.
Im not sure what youre expecting here. You asked why NATO and Ukraine won’t negotiate peace.
They tried. Years ago. Russia said fuck you and invaded further.
Now you moved the goal posts to seek blame on the defenders side again.
They actually had a tentative agreement in Spring of 2022, but then NATO flew in and offered them money and weaponry so they could fight more. I am not moving the goal posts I am just telling you what reality is - Ukraine is going to lose, there is no other outcome.
They either agree to peace on the current borders, which Russia is offering, or the war drags on for another 2 years and they dont have a choice in surrender (this comes with another 200k+ dead)
I dont care about nationalism personally, I only care about the lives of the working class. As such, any route to peace should be persued as quickly as possible.
Bruv youre not saying anything youre asking open leading questions.
And then you ask different questions when you dislike the answers. That’s exactly what moving goalposts means. I understand you love russia but please read and think before you reply.
I am taking the logical argument in the direction that you guys are thinking to show its logically inconsistent. You guys just dont understand what is going on there and repeating one of two different talking point directions.
Elaborate.
Yes sir
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We have to give weapons so that Ukraine can win.
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Russia is Nazi Germany and will keep taking over all of Europe so we need to stop them now.
Both of these arguments are terrible and have huge holes.
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They mean ‘kill every single ukranian in east ukraine’ as they where trying to do pre-2020.
Who was trying to kill them?
The US-backed Ukrainian coup government and western Ukrainian fascists were trying to kill the eastern Ukrainian untermensch for the nine years before this war started.
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