I would think that as long as a battery is replaceable, it should suffice to meet environmental requirements.
Specifically regarding the iPhone, with the current battery replacement cost being under $100, I find it difficult to understand this being such an issue where an entire continent needs to make a rule against the design.
But I understand some people just want the ability to fix their own shit without having to bring it in for service. And I know this isn’t just about phones but nearly everything that has a battery.
Fuck water, I want to change my battery.
It’s not even that hard. I had a Galaxy S5, which had Micro-B and a replaceable battery. It’s called using a Cover on your USB Port, and a RUBBER GASKET. It’s not rocket psychology.
It seems they are not going to make batterie replaceable without a fight. The waterproof excuse is crap, they already don’t give us repairs if the iphone is « water dommage » and they can just make a new water resistant design around the new requirements
Same lame excuse they used for removing the headphone jack… Never forget what they took from us and the shitty trend they started in the industry
I think the charging port is the next one to go. Just use wireless charging, roast the battery and buy a new phone when the battery finally dies after a few years. However, if the battery really is replaceable, it’s going to change the economics of this plan.
I don’t think so. They would still need a way to connect to the phone for diagnosis reasons and all that, or to connect to it via iTunes.
That’s still wired, so they can’t get rid of it entirely.
NFC or something to that effect can be forced"on" with their special charging connection… Or something like that
Would be horrible for data rates but it could be done
Just so you know, the Apple Watch no longer has a diagnostic port. It’s all 100% wireless now. Source
Apple has been tinkering with this idea for a while now, and it’s already in use. Next, they just need to do the same thing with the iPhone, and they’re ready to ditch all cables.
The waterproof excuse is crap
Yep. Galaxy S5, released 9 years ago with an IP67, removable battery, sd card and headphone jack with a back you could open with a fingernail.
Yep. Galaxy S5, released 9 years ago with an IP67, removable battery, sd card and headphone jack with a back you could open with a fingernail.
Spot on. They boast about how the iPhone is IP68, but IPX7 means…
Protected from immersion in water with a depth of up to 1 meter (or 3.3 feet) for up to 30 mins
There may be a tradeoff, but I’ll take this level of waterproofing with a removable battery over being able to dunk my phone under water for 2 hours without a removable battery. Like that’s an easy choice.
It’s all moot anyway. This is just Apple trying to justify their anti-consumer standpoint of wanting to own the device after it’s been bought, like every other fucking manufacturer out there. We will own nothing and we’ll be happy about it.
EU wasn’t asking bro
Govs should never ask. They must implement the regulation. The corporations are so greedy, they will follow for the money.
They tried asking before, with the charging connector. Apple effectively ignored them for about a decade, so they’re going with the firmer option now.
jeeeeesus christ, the idea that a component in your MOBILE PHONE will never need repair is a one-way ticket to fucking landfill electronics.
add a gasket, holy shit it’s waterproof again!
I mean, they said it never needs to be repaired, so just offer a lifetime warranty if it degrades. Should be easy enough
What a horseshit excuse: add 6 screws on your backplate, give it a frame with center glass, add a grommet. Give a torque setting for the screws to have a good seal in your instructions. L
Done.
Samsung did this shit years ago in a phone with a replaceable plastic back.
Samsung still does it. It’s called the Xcover lineup.
Don’t go pros have replaceable batteries too and get used in like the ocean?
Yes, but they have a very sturdy case. The gopro itself (without the case) is not waterproof.
Edit: looks like I haven’t kept up with the times (username checks out) and now they ARE waterproof even without the case.
I mean if you remove the waterproof case you have a naked circuit board, if they could make that waterproof we wouldn’t be talking about this.
or are you thinking about ancient gopros that needed an extra sealed case?
Yeah, I’ve updated my reply to reflect that.
anyone going down 100ft knows if their shit is depth rated
This is wrong btw.
Since the Hero 5, Go Pros have been waterproof without the case. The current GoPro is waterproof to 10 meters without a case or 60 meters with the case.
Compared to the current iphone which is only water resistant, so can be submerged for 30 minutes, upto 6 meters.
I could accept an adjustment where manufacturers only need to provide an option in the current generation, I.E. they can sell iPhone 16s that don’t have a replaceable battery, as long as they sell an equivalent version that does. The argument for waterproofing seems fair to me, so the best approach in my mind would be to give that choice to consumers.
I’ve commented this elsewhere but it wouldn’t surprise me if they actually over engineer the replaceable battery and incorporate their MagSafe tech or something to make replacement batteries prohibitively expensive but technically follows EU rules. Seems like a very Apple malicious compliance outcome.
The first thought that came to my mind was internal solid state power storage (good for an hour or so, but will outlive the rest of the phone) with an external MagSafe battery. Call it MC, but that’s definitely a more Apple UX than disassembling your water resistant phone.
Apple does love to take designs that makes their devices enter the realm of disposable tech. Like soldering storage and ram on their MacOS running devices in the name of speed, but one that is not noticeable to the average user. And decreases peoples ability to upgrade it to use even longer like they did the older macs.
So fighting against replaceable batteries seems along the line for them.
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iCloud private relay is the one reason I won’t leave Apple ecosystem.
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Easy privacy so my data can’t be mined. I am not comfortable with any random company or person sifting through my browsing habits. Note to yourself and others: private relay does not protect or anonymize illegal or illicit activity.
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I don’t mean to be pedantic, but private relay is a little different than a third party VPN service (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212614). You still have to trust the VPN provider with your logs as well as Quad9 with your DNS requests. There are examples of VPN providers that have said “we delete your logs” when in fact they do not. On the other hand, I have to trust that Apple is not logging my browsing. To me, the private relay approach appears to guarantee that but obviously there’s some risk no matter how you do it. I won’t argue with the dislike for Apple services.
So glad to see the Apple fans here aren’t a bunch of blind yesmen. With an R&D budget the size of Apple’s I am sure theres a way to figure somwthing out.
Really refreshing to see Apple fans who have not forgotten they are consumers who have features they want as opposed to accepting whatever decision is made for them.
Other site was a weird mix of people who seemed less Apple consumers and shared more in common with Apple shareholders with the lengths they’d go to defend things from Apple’s financial point of view.
Especially since waterproof phones with replaceable batteries already existed. They aren’t exactly working from nothing.
They exist but not at this thinness. That’s an important difference.
I don’t think anybody really cares about an extra half millimetre of thickness, especially if it means that you can save hundreds in replacement costs and extend its life by a few years. Nobody’s buying an iPhone and busting out the calipers to compare it to their previous phone.
Apple’s sales fall and people don’t buy new phones because “it looks just like last year’s phone.”
There are so many things a company can change about a phone besides its thickness.
You also start running into usability issues. There’s only so thin a phone can be before it’s less of a phone, and more of a blade that’ll bend if you sneeze at it wrong.
Happened with the iPhone 6
I care. This thing’s already thick and heavy enough, and I don’t particularly care about popping the back off my phone to replace a battery. It’s like…once every two years that I have to replace it.
But head on over to Apple on reddit or macrumors and you’ll find plenty of Apple fanboys over there.
use 3M’s post-it note glue.
Well, they have to.
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Thanks to the EU we have free roaming internet across EU countries. If this was left to “customers deciding for themselves” there would never be free roaming in Europe.
I can come up with many examples like this. Companies like Apple need to kept on a very short leash.
The mobile market has plenty of competition.
Fucking lol dude. I’m no economist but there’s no shot the mobile phone marketplace counts as “plenty of competition”. It’s essentially a duopoly. And the barrier to entry is massive.
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if they don’t, they don’t.
Id like to live in the world you think we do.
Too greedy to do that.
Good grief.
It would be great if the EU steps back:
Dear phone manufacturers. It seems to be impossible to build water resistant phones with easily replaceable batteries. So we have an alternative for you: In future you must provide a unconditional, professional battery replacement, free of charge for 10 years for each individual phone which is water resistant. Since the phones are so water resistant you also have to replace all water damaged phones free of charge.
2 hours later Apple announces a keynote for next week. A week later Tim Cook presents us next years iPhone with an easily replaceable battery…
Don’t know what they’re going on about. They are easy to replace. I’ve done it myself. Takes about 20 min.
Screws and gaskets. Fuck you apple.
