Earlier, after review, we blocked and removed several communities that were providing assistance to access copyrighted/pirated material, which is currently not allowed per Rule #1 of our Code of Conduct. The communities that were removed due to this decision were:
We took this action to protect lemmy.world, lemmy.world’s users, and lemmy.world staff as the material posted in those communities could be problematic for us, because of potential legal issues around copyrighted material and services that provide access to or assistance in obtaining it.
This decision is about liability and does not mean we are otherwise hostile to any of these communities or their users. As the Lemmyverse grows and instances get big, precautions may happen. We will keep monitoring the situation closely, and if in the future we deem it safe, we would gladly reallow these communities.
The discussions that have happened in various threads on Lemmy make it very clear that removing the communites before we announced our intent to remove them is not the level of transparency the community expects, and that as stewards of this community we need to be extremely transparent before we do this again in the future as well as make sure that we get feedback around what the planned changes are, because lemmy.world is yours as much as it is ours.
“Here” should be the fediverse, not all in lemmy.world. Ask yourself why the lemmy.world volunteers should accept liability blindly? They are responsible for what goes on in their servers. If you want to make your own rules, literally go and start your own instance… I’m sure when it’s your name on the hook you’ll be fine with “anything goes” on your server.
This isn’t a bug on Lemmy, it’s a feature. It’s exactly why we’re here. A robust legal team requires a lot of money, and only corporate suits can finance that. If you don’t want someone like Reddit controlling everything and want a community focused space, you have to accept piracy isn’t going to be there.
If you don’t like that, you’re more than welcome to try and take on their legal liability so they can keep the piracy up (if that’s even possible).
The fuck are you talking about? Lemmy.world has defederated from other Lemmy communities that are about piracy. Those Lemmy communities that are about piracy still exist and are part of Lemmy.
Are you entirely certain you understand what the difference is between Lemmy and Lemmy.World?
It’s a bit like the difference between the United States and San Fransisco if that helps at all…
That’s one thing that is constantly overlooked, Reddit IS and will remain “better” in this regard because they have commercial backing and revenue to hire lawyers and put up legal fights. “Film studios lose bid to unmask Reddit users who wrote comments on piracy” isn’t going to happen in the Fediverse because most instances don’t have the resources to start the fight, nevermind win it.
Thank you for this update and your work!
It was sad to see the level of hostility displayed in some of the threads yesterday.
You are still doing a great job as the most public facing instance, and it’s good to hear you noticed the request for more transparency.
Take care!
Literally 1984
Ight, I’m out
Between Beehaw and LemmyWorld, I’m on my third account at this point. What starts as an alt quickly becomes the main under the right circumstances. 😂
I wish I could find the post/comment from a small instance admin that said it quickly became a nightmare trying to moderate without a team, and people were filling their drive storage with white noise files and crap, needing to be purged twice. I believe they even mentioned they were shutting down the instance and it being a cautionary tale of why not to join a smaller instance.
EDIT: waveform.social
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I read the exact comment you just quoted. I‘m not sure either who it was but I could check if I answered to it :)
But anyway, I‘d be down to help if anyone needs help. I already told the admin of my instance that I‘m game.
Thank you so much for finding it! This is it. It really sucks that it has to come to that.
Gotta choose progressively smaller instances until you self-host.
You can solve your “problem” by running your own instance and federate with whoever you want
Thats actually what I‘m gonna do at some point. Your instance needs to be exposed, right? No chance it would work behind a firewall without a tunnel?
If you want to federate, then yes. Your instance needs to accept the activity pub messages sent by the instances you federate with. You would also need to send out the apub notices whenever you do activity on your instances
That makes total sense. I guess it was wishful thinking on my side. So I‘ll need to wait until I‘m ready to get a vps then. Thanks for elaborating. :)
Understand that Lemmy.world is run by volunteers. It is not a company. They don’t have the resources to fight legal battles. The Fediverse is big, feel free to migrate to another instance if you want to participate in that community.
Because of federation, all federated discussions that have participants from an instance save a local copy of that thread to the source instance the user is from.
So any infringement on one instance will be an infringement on any instances participants came from.
Here’s my new account. I found a random tiny instance and am chillin. I’d rather you not ban my new account (since I did nothing wrong) but bygones will be bygones.
From the modlog
Banned @soviettaters@lemmy.world
reason: Let us help youThat is petty and thin-skinned af lmao
EDIT 1: Account has been unbanned sitewide
EDIT 2: Banned from !lemmyworld@lemmy.world instead, for “trolling” \_(ツ)_/¯
At least there is a public modlog for accountability on Lemmy
The modlog is a great feature. Thank you for sharing
At least there is a public modlog for accountability on Lemmy
This is one of the features I like in Lemmy so far. Accountability for actions.
I believe most users understand the difficulties and appreciate your work…
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I understood about this earlier with the defederation of hexbear instance. So I moved to another. Preemptive defederation is something I don’t support. It should be the last resort.
They are evidently pro-invader.
pics or it didn’t happen
Well, right on the first page is this:
https://hexbear.net/post/340417The people pointing out that that the invader is the aggressor have less upvotes than the apologists. Other threads are full of shitting on NATO, aka the only thing stopping the invaders from being the conquerors.
You kidding me? Lame.
I don’t begrudge your decision. To me this comes down to a question of if you’re willing to be on the hook for a multi million dollar lawsuit, even if you’d definitely win in the end. It’s still an expensive process.
I sure as hell am not willing to do that, so I’m not going judge other people who aren’t willing either. I wish more people would look at it from this perspective.
By design, this isn’t Reddit. We didn’t want to be at the whims of their bullshit CEO and corporation. Unfortunately, that’s also exactly who can afford to have legal squabbles and not go bankrupt. This is just a natural consequence of having a community run space vs a corporate one.
I have an idea. How about all of the complainers go and start your own instance and allow whatever you want. When you have 100k users good luck sleeping.
…you realize there are dozens of other instances right? Nobody has to make another one lol, you can just join one of the others.
Uh, @lwadmin@lemmy.world … what’s up with the banning going on in this thread? I noticed on a.lemmy.org that someone was labeled “banned” and their comment was simply “Ight, I’m out”
The mod note was “Let us help you”.
There are more similarly weak (spiteful?) bans that certainly don’t seem to be at a standard for a ban. “Litterally 1984” was another one. Is that all it takes to be banned here?
Edit: Many (all?) the users I referenced as banned are now unbanned from the site, but now banned from this community.
The next Reddit/Lemmy is going to be ran by AI lol, us humans are too easily corrupted by power
I think some of this instance’s admins are not onboard with the rest. Too many cooks in the kitchen.
Well the radio silence on it sure seems like they’re circling the wagons to protect an admin that clearly isn’t emotionally mature enough to be in such a position.
Yeahhhh, please leave reddit (they still run ads there for this instance) for lemmy.
I guess they wanted people to feel at home?
The “ight I’m out” ban note was… hm. Not a great look. Comes across as petty and vindictive.
I’m not here to defend that guy, but since you offered this stance, what do you think about JFK’s quote
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
Is that an “implied” death threat?
This isn’t a gotcha; I’m just curious at your personal opinion.
Precisely nowhere-- I have seen that quote get people banned for advocating violence, and I think that’s pretty crazy; I semi-randomly ask people who moderate this question. I promise there’s no gotcha here.
What about a “Four Boxes” reference?
I had to look up what that even is, because I haven’t encountered that one before. (me not being US-American)
I cannot make a call on a reference to a quote brought forth on an unspecified subject without context.
In regards to JFK - yes that would count as advocating violence in a very generalised sense. But without context, again, I am not able to make a call, whether a ban on someone making the quote is justified or not. In general, moderation policy also falls under freedom of expression. Consequently, freedom of speech is not a claimable right against non-governmental agents. It’s a thing that a lot of people seem to selectively overlook when advocating for what would actually be better described as “Anarchy of speech”.
There are worse, imo.
user @snake posted:
Did you ever consider ceding ownership of the instance to an entity with greater legal capabilities?
In the end, it will not make sense to try to keep this instance running if the owners are unable to provide adequate service to its users.
and was banned for:
reason: Go get your service somewhere else
Definitely not a great look.
Ehhhh… the other two comment/bans seem a tad vindictive. This on the other had seems to have a different tone to me. It’s thinly veiled criticism and almost feels like a threat, especially if someone has been DDOSing your server for weeks.
How fuckin childish.
Are you paying anything for this service? No. It has costs to maintain while they’re shouldering that on their own and giving you this service for free.
Get over yourself. The entire point of the fediverse is that anyone can host an instance. You can spin up a little free instance yourself and federate or defederate/block anything you see fit.
Why don’t you? I’m gonna guess because you want a low effort, free service to get your scrolling fix. In which case, they’re right. Go to a different instance that suits your values more. If you want an instance that won’t defederate or block others unless absolutely necessary, go join Lemm.ee. They federate with basically everyone and don’t block hardly anything.
And, Lemmy world is federated with them. So you won’t lose a single thing here if you move there.
Is it really childish to quote what someone else said and question it? Seems like quite an overreaction on your behalf to be honest.
Lemmy.world admins, I am truly asking you to please reflect on how bad this looks. It honestly makes you seem like you can’t handle criticism and if people get that vibe they will use it to absolutely fuck with you. I know from my own personal experience. I understand that you’re volunteers but this is a step in a very bad direction that will only serve to cause more issues.
Agree.
This decisions seems emotionally driven. That will not work on the internet.
You created rules. Use your rules to make your decisions. Don’t use your emotions.
It won’t only bring the site into disarray, it will bring you moderators and your emotional states into disarray.
Make your rules as black and white as poasible. where grayness raises, create new rules.
Can someone please post this stuff on lemmy world in its own thread? This needs to be brought to attention.
The people responsible for this need to then either concede that they have done wrong, leave or otherwise be made to leave.
FFFUUUUU! I just deleted my reddit account because lemmy doesn’t have a power-tripping hostile mod problem so it’s better to just permanently move here. I’m so naive…
You have full access to the piracy communities as your instance hasn’t blocked them. Here is the link
I hope that this demonstrates to people that the oppressive reddit behaviour is not confined to special individuals (such running major social media sites), but is a systematic occurance in online forums. Simply switching from one toxically moderated space to another is not a solution. But this is where the strength of ActivityPub/fediverse lies: we are able to leave for another server while still using the same fundamental service and being able to interact with the same content as before. I would recommend startrek.website as a new or second home for those who wish to migrate.
I’m probably being overly cynical, but I have a pretty unflattering option of volunteer moderators and the type of people that seek out such seemingly thankless positions-- and their motivations for doing so. I know this might seem-- bizarre-- considering where I am posting this, but I think it nonetheless.
I like lemmy because there’s a modlog to see these things. I do not believe that these users would be unbanned if it hadn’t been noticed in the modlog. And it appears they’re unbanned from the sitewide ban, but still banned in the community. Not sure what sense that makes.
If your instance gets big enough, you’ll also have to deal with petty tyrants seeking out positions of petty power.
Just wondering and looking at the mod log for one admin and maybe I am crazy but are they unbanning and rebaning users? (Keep in mind it goes new on top):
- admin Banned @snake from the community Lemmy.world Announcements reason: troll
- admin Unbanned @snake
- admin Banned @soviettaters from the community Lemmy.world Announcements reason: Troll
- admin Unbanned @soviettaters
- admin Unbanned @ilfi
- admin Removed Comment Spineless pieces of shit. by @sused reason: toxic
- admin Banned @sused reason: Bye
- admin Banned@ilfi reason: Inactive account comes back to troll. Bye
They’re unbanning them from a sitewide ban and then immediately banning them from the lemmyworld community.
What in the hell?
It’s arguable, but that’s what federation is about. No default instance, you pick those you want to participate in and agree with, and their admins have their choices too. It’s neat.
in case something goes bad it is going to be against them not this instance.
Ah, since you’re an expert in Finnish law (where LW is hosted) perhaps you could take a few minutes and give us a breakdown?
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You literally can go to another instance you know that right… that’s the beauty of the fediverse…
Just move to a different instance which isn’t so banhappy. There’s plenty of instances which aren’t so heavy-handed with what they ban.
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Move to an instances that’s hosted near you
If you’re here for the piracy, there’s some applicable suggestions in the top level post.
That said, every other instance draws less attention than this one, and so can afford to be a lot more chill about their federation settings. So there’s really no wrong answer for your next move, at the moment.
The vast majority of instances can access content on this one, so you’ll still typically have access to everything you found here, too.
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That’s pretty reasonable.
