Earlier, after review, we blocked and removed several communities that were providing assistance to access copyrighted/pirated material, which is currently not allowed per Rule #1 of our Code of Conduct. The communities that were removed due to this decision were:
We took this action to protect lemmy.world, lemmy.world’s users, and lemmy.world staff as the material posted in those communities could be problematic for us, because of potential legal issues around copyrighted material and services that provide access to or assistance in obtaining it.
This decision is about liability and does not mean we are otherwise hostile to any of these communities or their users. As the Lemmyverse grows and instances get big, precautions may happen. We will keep monitoring the situation closely, and if in the future we deem it safe, we would gladly reallow these communities.
The discussions that have happened in various threads on Lemmy make it very clear that removing the communites before we announced our intent to remove them is not the level of transparency the community expects, and that as stewards of this community we need to be extremely transparent before we do this again in the future as well as make sure that we get feedback around what the planned changes are, because lemmy.world is yours as much as it is ours.
I’m just here so I can post the 1000th comment
I didn’t look for that community and I may not support it… But I’ll not be staying an instance that wants to censor other instances from its users. Too many other examples of things being censored by lemmy.world in these comments.
Didn’t even know an instance could block a specific community of another instance. I thought the only option was defederation. Is there any way to see/list the communities blocked by an instance?
Click “instances” at the bottom of the page and scroll down to “blocked instances”.
For lemmy.world: link
Genuinly good question. I get why they did what they did but i personally would like to be able to see all of the lemmyverse. Being on one the largest instances probably isnt the answer.
Agreed. I didn’t come here for censorship with extra steps.
Not sure how all of this will shake out but my hope is that someday at the very least i can host an instancs for only myself that is so small and miniscule that nobody bothers to defederate with me. At the very least maybe there will be a log of this stuff so we can all see which instancs is the most friendly. Regardless of all this im very happy that the people behind lemmy.world keep it running as smoothly as they do and im happy with it at the moment.
Kinda sucks the largest one has to include censorship that’s against The majority of the community. I would get it if the majority of the community was against piracy and we really want to block it but that’s obviously not the case
Do you have any figures to show that the majority of the users on this instance are in favour of piracy? Or do you just assume you’re in the majority?
Seems overly cautious, or lemmy.world is trying to find excuses to cut off content they don’t like. Legal trouble for allowing access to those communities, which aren’t even based on lemmy.world, would be so much of an overstep, they’d probably be able to get free legal counsel from the EFF or a similar organization.
Anyways, this will be my last post on this server. Even though I don’t use any of those communities, I don’t want to have to constantly monitor what has been banned to see what I may miss out on.
Apparently, lemmy.world also removed c/shrooms, which I didn’t even know about. And again, risk of legal trouble for that would be extremely low.
Yes. They’re cowards. I don’t know if they were receiving any threats or not. But if people can sue you they’ll sue you. They won’t threaten to. They weren’t even hosting the community themselves. Sadly I’m gonna have to set up an account on another instance.
good thing I followed the advice not to use lemmy.world lol
Which instance is recommended?
not entirely sure, I’m still new here. I haven’t had any problems with lemm.ee
there’s probably a thread in !asklemmy@lemmy.ml where people discuss the pros and cons of different instances
Thank you. I hope somebody can chime in and give me the instance to use.
Indeed
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You guys shit the bed. Shiess the bed. Whatever you sourkraut fuckers want to call it. It would have been easier to set yourselves on fire in a bunker. Fascism is as fascism does. Tell us “it’s for the greater good”. You’re just cutting away the undesirables. You admins do so much for our own good and we should be grateful you know so much better than we do. That’s why you have all those updoots
Pathetic
Bwhahahahaha Reddit is more liberated than Lemmy, what a fucking embarrassment.
What’s the line, self-censorship is the first sign an authoritarian has won.
Looks like we finally found the part of lemmy.ml that this site is comfortable with blocking.
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This sort for reminds me of a Sybil attack.
I think it’s a good idea for everyone to register at an obscure Lemmy instance. If everyone’s on lemmy.world, it isn’t truly federated.
Reddit allows piracy communities. These Lemmy communities aren’t hosted on your servers. That’s the whole thing - dbzer0.com and lemmy.ml are taking the risks, though there probably aren’t many risks in the first place.
I think a this is a bigger issue then just .worlds stance on piracy. Lemmy.world has put it self forward as the “front page of lemmy” but has now also removed one of the largest community using lemmy. And did so with no input on a discord server (not on any instance). This front page status was already shakey with all the down time and clunk. This seems like maybe not the best side to show new users.
People shouldn’t be congregating on a single instance anyway. The federation shouldn’t be focused on trying to make centralization, communities and people need to spread out
I agree but that is what .world has asked of people. They have placed themselves here as the landing place for new users.
Which shouldn’t have happened in the first place.
I’m very conflicted about this. On one hand, it’s kind of bullshit to take this level of action on something that can be handled on a case-by-case basis, when the need arises.
On the other hand, I’d prefer to see Lemmy avoid the reputation that Mastodon has garnered with the activities that are vastly under moderated there. With the size that some instances are reaching obviously there needs to be a level of discretion towards the content you will allow.
It’s, however, a slippery slope from protecting the community to accepting bribes for exclusive access to your user base.
“Due to moral objections, we’ve decided to block this meme community. However here’s an alternative that will show you advertisements disguised as funny memes! They even have most of the same content as the old one! Enjoy!”
Don’t let that become reality.
I suspect this won’t be a popular opinion, but it seems strange to me that a lot of people are making a fuss about lemmy.world blocking communities that literally advocate for illegal practices. If you disagree with lemmy.world blocking piracy communities, where should they draw the line? Allow literally any community to be created irrespective of the legality of what its advocating for? I would presume (and hope) that you wouldn’t have a problem with lemmy.world blocking CP communities for example?
The Fediverse can’t function as a free-for-all. It has to have rules, and instances have to be able to police those rules for the betterment of the whole.
I agree with you… Except… where is the line drawn? CP aside, seriously burn those fucks slowly. We can all agree on that I hope. The problem is how it was handled.
Illegal in which country? Where the server is hosted would make the most sense. If it’s hosted in the US then what state? Can we discuss marijuana and which dispensary to buy meds or is it hosted where it’s recreational. It’s still federally illegal. Host this server in Oregon and the drug discussions open up further, not just marijuana. Host the server in Sweden(?) where the piratebay was kept for years… There is no explanation other than we don’t think this should be seen so we block it.
To just say we, as mods, don’t agree with this subject matter so nobody here is allowed to view it isn’t what most people think is how this should be done.
As someone that’s never looked into how hosting Lemmy works… Is it hosted/stored on this instance’s server?
So why is that a problem? The hosts of Lemmy.world aren’t beholden to provide you with every resource available and at the same time potentially expose themselves to legal issues.
Problem is that saying Lemmy.world is responsible for these communities is not a valid argument. They do not run these communities nor are they affiliated with them. As a lemmy instance, they didn’t have to do anything technically speaking. And even then, Reddit - which is centralized - was able to get away with these communities for years.
While it is true they are not directly responsible for these communities, they are linking to them through federation. As others have mentioned, lemmy.world is hosted in Germany where laws are stricter around linking to potentially illegal activities. They don’t have the legal team available to them that Reddit do so obviously they want to protect themselves. If it’s a problem to you, sign up with an instance that doesn’t block that type of content.
